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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 2, 2007 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

Purely as a matter of necessity, the drums sequence though to the point when the complete band would be back on stage would present one of the most opportune moments during the entire show to go piss. Or shit. If you needed to piss or shit, then you'd have a nice 20-minute window or so to piss or shit without missing any songs.

Personally, if the need arose, or even if nature wasn't actually calling at that particular time, I would always gear up to face the throngs taking care of business during intermission because I didn't want to miss a note if I could avoid doing so. I was absolutely fascinated with Drums>Space and thought they were elements that really made Grateful Dead concerts unique, so I was one of the many who rode out that part of the show with the band.

Clearly, you have a lot of analytical insight working to consider the question. Your syntax is just a tad awkward, though. And I'm not immune to that, either. Of course, posting an inquiry here and presenting your findings in a paper for grad school are two entirely different things. But if it's not too presumptuous for me to make the observation, I think it is to your benefit for it to be brought to your attention. Obviously you will make the personal choice when presenting your findings as to whether or not you refer to people going to piss or shit.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 2, 2007 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

No babies were tortured at any Grateful Dead show I attended!

By the time I got going to shows, Space was a set feature, and I liked World Music and offbeat classical and looked forward to The Beam and 6-foot tall barimbaus.

Not exactly an accident of timing, but the peak of the show for me was usually the 1st part of the 2nd set, and drums/space resolved out into some theme. Like this from Blows Against The Empire:

At first
I was iridescent
Then
I became transparent
Finally
I was absent

But in GDland after a fana then a baqa, reconstituting back into more familiar forms.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Dec 2, 2007 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

the "crying baby strapped to the [Tractor Trailer] grill" at that show* was not harmed or tortured in any way!

It was enjoying the ride!

* http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-03-16.sbd.vernon.9388.sbeok.shnf

here's some feedback on 2-11-69

"Hey Bobby, we got a crying baby on the grill, hurry up with that flesh popsicle!"





This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2007-12-03 05:17:35

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Poster: buffalo69 Date: Dec 2, 2007 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

Drums was strictly so Jerry could go fix, take a breather, Phil could grab a beer "Or several" Bobby could grab a flesh popsicle, and Brent could knock back a few shots and a handful of Valium. Space allowed for one of, if not both drummers to chill out, while the rest of the boys fucked with everyone's heads that were blazed on psychedelics. Unless you were on the forementioned psychedelics, drums/space was time to cruise the hallways, say what up to the homes, grab a slice of pizza, drop a duce, and meet your crew behind the stage and smoke of 5 gram scoob. If you say you always listen to drums/space and is your favorite part of the show... you're lying

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Poster: Speaking in Swords Date: Dec 2, 2007 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

Thanks for clearing that up for me! I honestly don't know what I've been thinking all this time. You, sir, are a veritable godsend. From now on, I'm skipping over both Drums and Space when I listen to any given show, since NOTHING interesting EVER happened in those segments. Where would I be without your flawlessly objective contributions?

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Poster: Tito the Attention Whore Date: Dec 2, 2007 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

hey tito. how you doin? instead of "and meet your crew behind the stage" didnt yew mean "and MEAT your crew behind the stage"?
nobodee ever hid smokin a spliff at a dead show. if yews was hidin behind the stage yew musta been playin hide the salami.

yore ego is the only bag o shit i carry tito.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Dec 2, 2007 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

or pass out, or pass on...



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Poster: Incornsyucopia Date: Dec 2, 2007 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

Thanks to everyone for their comments so far. Just to be clear, this is not an ethnographic paper so I'm not actually planning on using any/all of your responses for it. I was just curious, given my thesis, if my personal experience of finding these parts of shows so interesting and enjoyable was as widely shared as I think - anecdotal though it may be.

Arbutnot: I agree with you. This wasn't what defined them musically, but it was, I think, a very important component. What I've always loved about the Dead was their willingness and ability to move from the most traditional of song forms to the most far out of modern sounds and do it in a way that made the latter relatively accessible to popular music audiences. The drugs certainly helped, but what I'm interested in, and what I'm trying to express in this paper, is what they did musically that enabled them to bridge what are usually completely divergent musical forms.

BrianE: I'm not too sure what you mean by my awkward syntax; enlighten me if you would. I wrote that post in about a minute so please don't think that it is representative of my formal writing skills. Pissing and shitting will definitely not be mentioned...

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 3, 2007 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you like Drumz>Space/Feedback?

It's a really interesting thing to consider, and I admire that you're working on such a cerebral project, so forgive me if I come off as being snide or anything, because it's not my intention to be that way (as far as my intention with all of the scatological gobbledygook---fuck, I dunno, man---chalk it up to a softened brain after about two and a half hours of helping my daughter with her homework, and no, I'm not smarter than a 5th grader). I'm not surprised, though, that you typed out your question in less than a minute---the concept is somewhat complex, and a quick draft of your query, unfortunately, did read somewhat confusingly, particularly the clause that fell between the commas:

"It's on how the Dead were able to play, and make aesthetically accessible to popular music audiences modernist musical styles that have, for the most part been very unpopular."

I think it's a question of the word "play" being connected to the description of "modernistic musical styles." Had another comma been inserted in between "part" and "been," and then the "aesthetically accesible" idea added afterward as another clause, perhaps it wouldn't have necessitated about three readings for a stoopid guy like me to wrap my mind around what you were asking---as if what I just wrote is any less confusing. And you will be infinitely more circumspect in the wording of your final paper, so it's moot, anyway, and therefore I'm going to shut the fuck up . . . except to reiterate that I really do get off on on Drums>Space.